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What the hell?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:00 pm
by MonroeDoctrine
The post before this one are definetely discontinuities in this dialogue

PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:05 pm
by Saturn

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:53 pm
by Steen
*runs around in circles in order to look like I am doing something*

PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:23 am
by Saturn
**wonders what drugs everyone is on** :lol: :lol:

What ever happened

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:07 am
by MonroeDoctrine
What ever happened to the intellectuals?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:17 pm
by Saturn
What, like you :lol: :lol: :lol:

You clearly have a very high opinion of yourself - I would never claim to be an "intellectual", whatever that actually entails.

Get a sense of humour man :roll:

PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:45 pm
by nightingale
Anyone can call themselves a poet but one must establish certain criteria to say whether or not they are any good. I mean, any limerick can count as a poem but its hardly in the same league as Keats.

as per poets, definitions, ketas shelley , etc...

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:56 pm
by T. Fuchs
keats and shelley suffer for this "beauty / lovliness" notion.
Is the holocaust not true?
it is certainly not lovely.
therefore, keats can not be viewed as definitive regarding poretry.

shelley drew the bar in defense and prometheus, but even he admitted that he didn't know a way to realize it.
see mcgann's critique of prometheus.
there is no path to the goal.

optimistic and pretty yes, but not at all practical as a revolution.
that's why i view keats as the greater poet, at least he admitted to negative capability - there is art in the face of uncomprehensible sensation, without pat resolution.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:34 pm
by Saturn
Welcome to the board :D :D

Very interesting idea.

I'm torn between Shelley and Keats as to who is the greater.

Obviously it is subjective but they are very different poets - Shelley is more epic, more ferocious and political in his work - intensely passionate and raging against injustice and advocating revolution.

Keats, in contrast is more subtly subervise in his political views - much more restrained in expressing his ideals - there is a great deal of politics in Keats' poems but it is expressed in a very different way from Shelley's firebrand approach

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:03 pm
by Steen
I don't think Keats was politcal and really should not be. Politics and the mundane everyday workings of life were the things he was using poetry to escape from, why would be bring his disalusionment with him into his work?
Ok, he made an attmept in Isabella but it kinda ruined the flow of the poem....I think he realised that he should stick to what he did best...writing stuff that had no connection to reality whatsoever....I many Snakewomen do you see today?

what is a poet

PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:04 pm
by monica-varney
What about D.H.Lawrence's idea about thought forms, which is what he called his poetry?


PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:23 am
by MonroeDoctrine
Keats and Shelly shared similar political and philisophical ideas and to say Keats wasn't political clearly expresses ignorance of the man.

Example of Being Political And Socially Aware:

1)Keats dedicates poems to Robert Burns.
2)Robert Burns is against the British Oligarchy.
Therefore the simple fact that Keats
acknowledges Burns as great out in the open =he is making a political statement.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:42 am
by Despondence
MonroeDoctrine wrote:1)Keats dedicates poems to Robert Burns.
2)Robert Burns is against the British Oligarchy.
=he is making a political statement.

Burns was also dead, one might add.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:35 pm
by Saturn
Despondence wrote:Burns was also dead, one might add.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Who is a poet?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:30 am
by Wynn
I think this says it all:
A Poet is one who writes poetry, good or bad, whether he knows it or not.

I think you want to discuss what poetry is. :D