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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Saturn » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:43 pm

No, its one very plausible theory and one that's highly likely given his behaviour at times, manic episodes of extreme behaviour, great feats of writing, swimming, eating and self-confidence followed by self-loathing, starvation and severe depressions; it makes sense to me.
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby keatsclose » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:54 pm

No excuse for abandoning his daughter in a convent the way he did. The heartless bastard tried to redeem himself by fighting for those Greeks.
Wonder if they knew his backstory!!!!
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Raphael » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:49 pm

Who cares about the fight? I don't want Junkets to get a black eye.. :D
The question should be:

Which of the two would give the most delightful kisses? I know who .... :wink:

Forgive me..'tis the season of Mistletoe....
John....you did not live to see-
who we are because of what you left,
what it is we are in what we make of you.

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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby BrokenLyre » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:33 pm

From the way that John treated the bully with the cat, I put my money on John. If he's at all like me (and he must be otherwise I wouldn't be on this Forum), then he would pummel Byron because, like me, I don't think Keats had an "off" switch in those situations.
That's been my experience at least. :)
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Saturn » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:41 pm

Byron on the other hand was a keen boxer and sportsman [despite his disability] and he actually used to spar with prize fighters and trained with 'Gentleman' John Jackson the best bare knuckle boxer of his day. So not to denigrate Keats but Byron would have knocked his lights out easily, if it had come to that :mrgreen:
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Raphael » Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:26 pm

So not to denigrate Keats but Byron would have knocked his lights out easily, if it had come to that :mrgreen:



Oi Saturn don't say that! I'm seeing my poor Junkets with a black eye! I just borrowed a vol of Byron from the the library- let's see what all the fuss is about...

Anyway..Junkets was a far far nicer person that lanky Byron!

P.S We were given Childe Harold to read at university and it so bored me I couldn't get past the first 3 verses.
Not like Hyperion or Endymion..which enthralled from the first few lines...
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Malia » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:23 pm

Oh I don't know--I think Keats could have given Byron a run for his money (if he were fighting him when he wasn't suffering from TB, that is). Keats was a notorious fighter as a youth and certainly believed in learning to defend oneself (he mentioned in a letter to one of his friends--Reynolds?--that Dilke's boy Charlie would do well to learn to defend himself against bullies rather than always be defended by his dad). I bet he had a few good moves on him. Probably would surprise Byron!
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Saturn » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:25 pm

Who knows...

Celebrity Death Match - Romantic Poetry Edition anyone? :mrgreen:
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Malia » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:06 pm

Could make for an interesting video game! :lol:
During the fight each combatant could assault the other with impromptu variations of his poetry . . .

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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby BrokenLyre » Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:46 pm

The happy holidays must be driving this thread... :D

OK - I get it Saturn. Byron was well experienced and a better boxer than Johnny Keats. But all you need is an "arm bar" from Keats to subdue Byron. It's a mixed martial arts thing. :lol:
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Raphael » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:27 pm

Yes, I've been told my martial arts people that a tiny slim girl could throw a big burly bloke if she knows the right moves. :lol:
Anyway I've read some of Byron- I rather liked Darkness- in particular the last four lines:

The Moon, their mistress, had expired before;
The winds were withered in the stagnant air,
And the clouds perished; Darkness had no need
Of aid from them- She was the Universe.


But back to Junkets.....
Forget who could win a fight....that's not important; John had a magical personality, a deep true heart and wins my heart over Lord Byron every time!
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby BrokenLyre » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:20 am

OK - but we guys want to settle the score... how about arm wrestling? Probably Byron. Keats was a scrappy fellow and would not win in the arm wrestling matches probably. But I bet he could wrestle Byron into a pin - or into a submission by choke hold. There are many ways to cause a submission, and Keats would do it.

Ok - I got that out of my system....now where were we...?????
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Re: Ok, one of my students just asked me this...

Postby Saturn » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:47 am

This thread has gotten out of hand and become silly, its a silly hypothesis and a ridiculous notion. I think it stops here.
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