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Isabella Jones

Postby dks » Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:16 pm

I have a had quite a few discussions about this woman with whom Keats had some sort of assignation.

I was wondering what any of you thought about this. Do you think Keats and Isabella Jones actually had a full blown affair? Or do you think it was simply and literally "warming with kisses?"

His biographers tend to disagree on the status of this relationship--especially Gittings and Ward.

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Postby Malia » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:02 pm

Hmm. . .Isabella, Isabella. She's kind of an enigma in Keats's life, isn't she? I personally think Gittings went a little overboard with his "affair" talk. I think they may have had a flirtation--and who knows they may have also had a one night fling, (I think I remember Ward saying that the "lady from Hastings" i.e. Isabella might have been the person Keats lost his virginity to!) but an affair? There's no real evidence of it. Isabella was also flirting with Keats's publisher Taylor at the time (they had more of an affair than she and Keats had) and she also seems to have had an interest (though probably not an affair :lol:) with Barry Cornwall. Ward says that Isabella seems to have enjoyed "collecting" men of literary promise. Keats later made an interesting comment to Fanny Brawne that one of the reasons he loved her was because she wasn't like other women who'd like to be "married to a poem and given away by a novel"--I think he might have been referring to Isabella with that statement.
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Postby dks » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:15 pm

Yes, I agree that the tryst was probably a better than mild flirtation. Just wondered what others' general opinion was.

But, oh, to know who the woman at Vauxhall was... :)
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Postby Saturn » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:37 pm

dks wrote:But, oh, to know who the woman at Vauxhall was... :)


Haven't you ever [not sure of your sex, sorry but this pertains equally to men and women I think] seen someone out in public and, for whatever reason, irrationally, become infatuited with them, even from only seeing them at a distance?

This is I think what Keats felt for the girl walking in Vauxhall Gardens.

The poet and novelist Thomas Hardy called this phenomenon 'the girl on the omnibus complex' where you see someone and fall deeply fascinated, infatuated with them and try to imagine and enter into their world and their life, imagine meeting them, following them and what you would say etc.

I have to say I'm completely with Hardy, and Keats on this one - I have these kind of daydreams?/fantasies? all the time :?

I'm not a stalker... except in my mind...


Is it wrong to have these daydreams? :?
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Postby Credo Buffa » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:36 am

Saturn wrote:I'm not a stalker... except in my mind...

:shock:
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Postby Despondence » Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:29 am

Saturn wrote:Is it wrong to have these daydreams? :?

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Postby Saturn » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:16 am

Credo Buffa wrote:
Saturn wrote:I'm not a stalker... except in my mind...

:shock:


:shock:

That did sound a bit weird, but it's not what you think...honestly :? :cry: :wink:
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Postby dks » Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:27 pm

Have I ever become infatuated with someone I hardly know? Not since breakfast.

You kidding? That happens weekly. I'm a Romantic through the very soft center of my heart--I know no other way in which to live. This is one reason I identify so closely with Keats. Those 'fits and starts' of passion are akin to my very nature--I get the great feeling the same is true for my fellow forum-ites here! :wink:

I am, by the way, Saturn, a girl.
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Postby Saturn » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:37 pm

dks wrote:
I am, by the way, Saturn, a girl.


:shock:

Is it just me and Despondence who are the guys here then? :lol:
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Postby dks » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:38 pm

Looks that way...

:lol: :lol:
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Postby Credo Buffa » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:27 am

The skirts are taking over! :wink:
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Postby dks » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:20 am

:lol: :lol:

That is exactly what Keats would probably say!
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Postby dks » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:24 pm

Sorry, Saturn.

No. I did not mean to do that...what with mid terms and a paper due last week--I was running on fumes...sorry, again. :oops:
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Postby Saturn » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:44 pm

No problem - I've deleted them, but you've lost four posts I'm sorry to say :?
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Postby dks » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:31 pm

:(

Ouch. Okay.

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