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Help with interpretation

Postby keatsISgod » Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:04 am

I was wondering if some of you could help me out with interpreting two poems by John Keats. One of my class assignments is to understand a clear interpretation of these poems and overall theme of both (contrasting or same). Hearing other interpretations and views of these poems would help me out greatly. Thanks for your time :)

Modern Love
AND what is love? It is a doll dress'd up
For idleness to cosset, nurse, and dandle;
A thing of soft misnomers, so divine
That silly youth doth think to make itself
Divine by loving, and so goes on
Yawning and doting a whole summer long,
Till Miss's comb is made a pearl tiara,
And common Wellingtons turn Romeo boots;
Then Cleopatra lives at number seven,
And Antony resides in Brunswick Square.
Fools! if some passions high have warm'd the world,
If Queens and Soldiers have play'd deep for hearts,
It is no reason why such agonies
Should be more common than the growth of weeds.
Fools! make me whole again that weighty pearl
The Queen of Egypt melted, And I'll say
That ye may love in spite of beaver hats.

On Death
Can death be sleep, when life is but a dream,
And scenes of bliss pass as a phantom by?
The transient pleasures as a vision seem,
And yet we think the greatest pain's to die.

How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake
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Postby Fred » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:18 pm

Please note I am "winging" it here and just putting down ideas as they occur to me

Maybe it shows his basic romantic rebellion against the "modern" materlistic world of the industrial reveloution.

Then there is the showing up of his link of pain and pleasure
It is no reason why such agonies
linked with the idea of love.

And his obssession with death.

Umm maybe happiness in life is not long standing?? Um passes like a dream. with young love as happiness in the first poem??

Because its not very grand and romantic for cleopatra to get married and settle down.

Still this is all a big maybe I haven ever seen these poems before and Im just thinking yet.

OH maybe as a differance is the first poem saying life is great and the second that death is??

Err yeah this was a bit random but could you post your own ideas it easier to work out if I have something to bounce the ideas off.
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Postby keatsISgod » Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:45 pm

ok this is what I got out of it:

Modern Love - Keats is allowing that people feel love, but is questioning why it is we fall in love with others. Everyone has breakups in relationships... and we get hurt [heart broken]. But even though we know how much it hurts, we continue to fall in love.

On Death - Keats is questioning why it is that people fear death so much. Life can be a horrible place... so why is it we are afraid of death and not afriad of waking up.

After rereading these poems endless times, that is what I got out of them. What i cant seem to link is a overall theme.

please help.
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Postby Fred » Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:31 am

Try pain always big in keats's poem.
In that waking to misery of life= pain
and love= pain.

Or actually I think this may be alink though its a bit of a long shot so please bear with me
«Beauty is truth, truth beauty,»- that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

grecian urn

somwhere in his letters he mentions beauty being love

so If all you need on earth is love which is painful therfore life is painful and by opposition you have
easeful Death

(ode to a nitingale' song)
So death is good coz you escape painful life.
this relates to both these in that it is a very common theme in his shorter poems and even in his loger poems also he showed somtimes tendecy to link love with death as in Lamia and the Isabella.
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