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Happy Halloween

PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:16 am
by dks
Ooooh...it's Halloween...I've dressed up and gone the trick or treating rounds every year since I could walk... :shock:

...this year I'm a black cat...got my ears, my whiskers and tail...oh and the fancy black leotard...I think I shall feel rather agile and sexy tonight...purrrrrrrr... 8) :wink:

PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:27 am
by Saturn
Oh saying that you must provide photos...

Happy Halloween to everyone if you're into that sort of thing.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:02 pm
by dks
Saturn wrote:Oh saying that you must provide photos...

Happy Halloween to everyone if you're into that sort of thing.


...and so I shall...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:39 pm
by Falina
Hhmmm... Halloween... It's something like a "new trend" here in Germany :wink: ... When I was a child, nobody went "trick or treating" (if you can say that *lol*)... But in the last couple of years, it became more and more popular over here... But it's not a tradition as in English-speaking countries...

Yet the date has been important in Germany, too - but for other reasons: On October 31st 1517 (yes, I had to look that up :wink: ) Martin Luther is said to have put his 95 theses on the doors of the church in Wittenberg, what caused the Reformation. So October 31st is "Reformation Day", almost a religious holiday...

I don't know whether this is any interesting or important information *lol*...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:52 pm
by Saturn
I'm sure the Pope doesn't celebrate that day though.

Are you sure its in the whole of Germany - there's still a large number of Catholics in Germany who probably wouldn't want to celebrate that day :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:53 pm
by Falina
*lol* Well, I didn't say anyone really celebrates it here :wink: . Of course a lot of people got to church and stuff... But a lot of people don't :wink: ... I was just thinking about the fact that Halloween and Reformation Day are both on October 31st... And that Halloween is not any kind of old tradition in Germany. As I said, it's just some kind of new trend over here. I suppose it's all because of the money one can earn by selling all kinds of Halloween stuff :? ... We Germans already have another date when we dress up (which is enough in my opinion ;)) - but... hmmm... we try to do so many things the same way Americans do.... I mean nothing is wrong with American traditions etc. But I often wonder why we take so many things from them, and do so many things the same way as they - although they don't really mean as much to us as to them...

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:12 am
by Saturn
Well the American tradition of Halloween was brought over by Irish immigrants and now the Americans have imported it to the rest of the world :wink:

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:39 am
by Falina
Alright, alright :wink: . Actually, I only wanted to mention the "lack of identity" which (in my opinion) we Germans often have :wink: .

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:02 am
by Saturn
A divided nation trying to regain its identity is something I know a lot about - its very similar in Northern Ireland.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:32 pm
by Falina
Yeah, true. You surely can compare both countries in some way or the other... Of course there are a lot of differences, too... Germans are, for example, always kind of scared to say they are somehow "proud" to be Germans... I mean, I myself was really surprised (in a postive way!) how "we" behaved during the soccer world cup *lol*. That was a totally new experience :wink: !

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:10 pm
by Saturn
Well I'm certainly not proud to say where I come from at all.

In fact I'm ashamed at what has happened to my country.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:41 pm
by Falina
Okay, alright. I know I have difficulties in expressing what I want to say (not only in English, by the way *lol*), so I'll try again...

"Proud" has probably been the wrong word. If I think I about Germany's history - of course it has been terrible, cruel, brutal and and nobody should ever forget anything about it! It's just... well, I don't know how else to express it... this lack of identity, the fact that we somehow still feel personally responsible for things that have happened at a time long before my generation was born. Somehow I feel we have only our past in mind all the time and can't really look in the future...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:28 pm
by Papillon
I don't know, Falina. I'd imagine that most people ought to be ashamed of their country's past. I know that we Americans have quite a colorful history of treating others abominably. In fact, some might argue that we are committing atrocities at this very moment.

Many other countries have similar pasts. It is a shame what we do as a collective group to other collective groups--horrid cruelties we would not do when faced one-on-one.

I don't think that you should feel guilty about what others have done. Those actions were neither done nor condoned by you.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:39 am
by Falina
Hey Papillion - there's nothing I could add; I just totally agree with you :)! It's what I think, too - it's just hard for me to find the right words in English sometimes *lol*.