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Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:07 pm
by Raphael
Cornelius wrote:Unfair in one hand, in the other, I think the feever-hours of tuberculosis are able to set thoughts from and possibilities of an artist free, like .. mind-blowing? Or is consciousness-expanding the right word - I hope you know what I mean. In this way the illness may was suportive for his imagination.


I think conciousness -expanding was the correct term. I don't think this disease had any positives for him at all- but his sufferings led him to question the nature of existence. Yet without these he still would have explored nature, reality and so on becuase he was an imaginative spiritual person.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:10 pm
by Raphael
Ennis wrote:Raphael --

I have "Bright Star" by Joan Rees. I've had it for quite a few years now, but won't go into any detail as to how I acquired it. I collect Keats books and other "stuff." I still am not that fond of Brown.


Do you like the novel?

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:10 pm
by Raphael
Malia wrote:Hi Cornelius :)
EFL means, "English as a Foreign Language" (at least that's what I'm assuming . . . in America we call it ESL "English as a Second Language").


Malia you are correct. :D

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:38 pm
by Cornelius
Thanks Malia, and also "Hey!"

Oh I don't mean, that the consumption was positive for him - I'm sorry. But I understand that you've read it this way - it was a bit ambiguous. I just have thought about this "affect" of consumption for a time. A lot of poets, artists, etc. was suffering from(?) it, and there are articles about the theory that they where inspired by it.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:55 pm
by Saturn
It's the old 'Would Sgt. Pepper have been as good if The Beatles weren't dropping acid' argument, who knows, who cares where an artists inspiration comes from, whatever works. In Keats case, however inspired or not I'm sure he would have preferred to live a few more years than any 'enlightenment' given to him by his illness.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:59 pm
by Cornelius
Well - I'm silent. Pardon. I don't want to make anyone angry.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:10 pm
by Raphael
Cornelius wrote:Oh I don't mean, that the consumption was positive for him - I'm sorry. But I understand that you've read it this way - it was a bit ambiguous. I just have thought about this "affect" of consumption for a time. A lot of poets, artists, etc. was suffering from(?) it, and there are articles about the theory that they where inspired by it.



No, I was being ambiguous! I was thinking of his Vale of Soul Making and his explorations into what suffering is for. It was thought for a long time that genius and Consumption has affinity- that Consumption took the genius because of his intense nature, or the Consumption because of its feverish nature brought on intensity.This idea also is seen in tribal cultures where the medicine people and shamans go through periods of sufferings, dreams , visions and illnesses as part of their calling. The idea is that people who are out of the ordinary in one way or the other ( artist, composer, poet, healer etc) go through periods of intensities, sufferings etc to learn their art, gain wisdom.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:10 pm
by Raphael
Cornelius wrote:Well - I'm silent. Pardon. I don't want to make anyone angry.



You are not Cornelius- you are making interesting points. :D

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:12 pm
by Raphael
Saturn wrote: In Keats case, however inspired or not I'm sure he would have preferred to live a few more years than any 'enlightenment' given to him by his illness.


Yes- he would have- he had so much more to write. He would have been as great a poet if he had suffered or not.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:25 pm
by Cornelius
Okay, I becalmed. :wink:

The relation between consumption and genious is it, which fascinate me for a long time. Look at Kafka, Schiller, Novalis, etc.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:27 pm
by Raphael
Cornelius wrote:Okay, I becalmed. :wink:

The relation between consumption and genious is it, which fascinate me for a long time. Look at Kafka, Schiller, Novalis, etc.


Also the Brontes and Chopin. But then many people got Consumption who were not geniuses- the ordinary poor too. I don't think there is any link between Consumption and genius really.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:33 pm
by Cornelius
mh .. I would say, that a lot of those where poor themselves - it seems to be a fate of a lot of them, to be appreciated posthuman. And when it is a mind with a lot of phantasie, genius, imagination and talent in arts, in which it is useful to have these atributes, it could be inspired by the fever, whenever it would be better not to die young, of course.

I hope this wasn't to confused.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:36 pm
by Raphael
Cornelius wrote:mh .. I would say, that a lot of those where poor themselves - it seems to be a fate of a lot of them, to be appreciated posthuman. And when it is a mind with a lot of phantasie, genius, imagination and talent in arts, in which it is useful to have these atributes, it could be inspired by the fever, whenever it would be better not to die young, of course.

I hope this wasn't to confused.


Yes, some of them were not rich, but I meant the really poor- the illiterate, those who lived in slums etc.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:40 pm
by Cornelius
Yes, I peculated them, you're right.

Re: Who are you? Introduce yourself

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:45 pm
by Raphael
I was glad to have the immunisation when I was 13- I wish this had been available to John- they had Smallpox vaccination then but not one for Consumption.He might have had this vaccination as I read that the Smallpox vaccination was made compulsory in the late c.18th.