Who is a poet?

Discussion on the works of John Keats.

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What the hell?

Postby MonroeDoctrine » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:00 pm

The post before this one are definetely discontinuities in this dialogue
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Postby Saturn » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:05 pm

wtf????
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Postby Steen » Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:53 pm

*runs around in circles in order to look like I am doing something*
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Postby Saturn » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:23 am

**wonders what drugs everyone is on** :lol: :lol:
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What ever happened

Postby MonroeDoctrine » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:07 am

What ever happened to the intellectuals?
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Postby Saturn » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:17 pm

What, like you :lol: :lol: :lol:

You clearly have a very high opinion of yourself - I would never claim to be an "intellectual", whatever that actually entails.

Get a sense of humour man :roll:
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Postby nightingale » Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:45 pm

Anyone can call themselves a poet but one must establish certain criteria to say whether or not they are any good. I mean, any limerick can count as a poem but its hardly in the same league as Keats.
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as per poets, definitions, ketas shelley , etc...

Postby T. Fuchs » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:56 pm

keats and shelley suffer for this "beauty / lovliness" notion.
Is the holocaust not true?
it is certainly not lovely.
therefore, keats can not be viewed as definitive regarding poretry.

shelley drew the bar in defense and prometheus, but even he admitted that he didn't know a way to realize it.
see mcgann's critique of prometheus.
there is no path to the goal.

optimistic and pretty yes, but not at all practical as a revolution.
that's why i view keats as the greater poet, at least he admitted to negative capability - there is art in the face of uncomprehensible sensation, without pat resolution.

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Postby Saturn » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:34 pm

Welcome to the board :D :D

Very interesting idea.

I'm torn between Shelley and Keats as to who is the greater.

Obviously it is subjective but they are very different poets - Shelley is more epic, more ferocious and political in his work - intensely passionate and raging against injustice and advocating revolution.

Keats, in contrast is more subtly subervise in his political views - much more restrained in expressing his ideals - there is a great deal of politics in Keats' poems but it is expressed in a very different way from Shelley's firebrand approach
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Postby Steen » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:03 pm

I don't think Keats was politcal and really should not be. Politics and the mundane everyday workings of life were the things he was using poetry to escape from, why would be bring his disalusionment with him into his work?
Ok, he made an attmept in Isabella but it kinda ruined the flow of the poem....I think he realised that he should stick to what he did best...writing stuff that had no connection to reality whatsoever....I mean...how many Snakewomen do you see today?
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what is a poet

Postby monica-varney » Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:04 pm

What about D.H.Lawrence's idea about thought forms, which is what he called his poetry?
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KEATS NOT POLITICAL!

Postby MonroeDoctrine » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:23 am

Keats and Shelly shared similar political and philisophical ideas and to say Keats wasn't political clearly expresses ignorance of the man.

Example of Being Political And Socially Aware:

1)Keats dedicates poems to Robert Burns.
2)Robert Burns is against the British Oligarchy.
Therefore the simple fact that Keats
acknowledges Burns as great out in the open =he is making a political statement.
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Re: KEATS NOT POLITICAL!

Postby Despondence » Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:42 am

MonroeDoctrine wrote:1)Keats dedicates poems to Robert Burns.
2)Robert Burns is against the British Oligarchy.
=he is making a political statement.

Burns was also dead, one might add.
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Re: KEATS NOT POLITICAL!

Postby Saturn » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:35 pm

Despondence wrote:Burns was also dead, one might add.


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Re: Who is a poet?

Postby Wynn » Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:30 am

I think this says it all:
A Poet is one who writes poetry, good or bad, whether he knows it or not.

I think you want to discuss what poetry is. :D
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